The biggest hurdle when laying the dogs can be getting the right odds. Betfair do not really give very good odds and Betdaq are simply a waste of time for laying greyhounds. Our points system can make things easier, which I will try to explain here. Our previous points/tips can be viewed here Previous Tips to give you an idea.
As can be seen in the image above, each dog is allocated points. The more points a dog is given, the more chance they have of winning (in our opinion).
The one’s we are interested in here are the greyhounds with the lowest points. Trap 2 has the lowest points, but the lay odds are to high at 14, so we look at the dog with the next lowest points which is trap 1 with odds of 5.5.
As it was, trap 4 went on to win the race anyway, but that is how we make our lay selection. In some cases, you can look at the three dogs with the lowest points to make your selection. It is a matter of finding a balance between the greyhound points and the betting odds.
Laying Greyhounds Points System
Within our points system you will see some greyhound with very low points, 1, 2 or 3 some days these are perfect if the odds are good.
The way I do my lay betting is that I set a win profit for the day of £50, once that daily profit is achieved that’s it for the day. You must be disciplined with laying or betting on the greyhounds if you are not then you can lose a lot of money. So set a daily win profit of £20, £30, £40 or £50 before you start, once this has been reached, stop for the day until tomorrow. I make my basic selections first thing in the morning by using the points system and checking against odds checker
Automated Betting
My bets are automated using The Staking Machine and Gruss Software although there is other software you can use as well. The lay system I use is Lay % Up Down, there are other systems, but this is my favored system.
Most days I can get to my win profit for the day within the first hour but today it took me two hours. Sometimes things can go wrong, it has happened to me on a few occasions. If for instance you get three dogs win, that you lay straight after each other your bank is going to go down rapidly. You need to ensure you have a large enough starting bank to allow for this.
Therefore, you should start off low and build, my advice is to look for a daily win profit of £20 and build your bank. After a week you will have an extra £140 and, in a month, you will have £560. Then set your daily win profit of £30 to win £210 a week, this is a realistic way to build your bank without risking to much at the start.
Most people are put off laying greyhounds because of the size of bet they must make. For instance, to win just £4 at odds of 4.0 you have a liability of £16, quite a risk. However, it is much easier to find a loser in a race than it is a winner.
Laying Greyhounds A Few Notes
1. Don’t fall into the trap that most people do, be disciplined, set a target and stick to it. If you have set a win profit for the day of only £20, you can win this within the first six races. Then you might think to yourself, that was easy, I will just go on a bit, big mistake. Stick to your guns, pack it up for the day and start again in the morning.
2. Watch the odds, it is no good laying dogs with to greater odds, I look for odds of between 2.0 to 6.0 but sometimes up to 8.0. If a dog, you lay does win at least you have some control of what you have lost.
3. You do not need to find a lay on every race, if the points are not good enough or the odds are not good then leave this race alone.
4. Use a system, as I said earlier, I personally use Lay % Up Down because it suits me.
5. Never wager more than you can afford to lose.
Hello
Just came across your site. Do you have a historic results page that I could look at? When are the figures for the dogs made available? Do Betbot Pro and Staking Machine both work ok for your tips?
Do you recommend backing or dutching for the high rated dogs?
Thanks
Graeme
Hi Chris.
You say you use a lay%. What percentage liability of your bank, do you find works best?
Hello, I have a recovery set at 25% and a stop loss set at £150. But, these settings should be adjusted to suit you. Regards Chris.
Hi Chris – could you check this please …
In this seven day test, I am hoping to win £50 a day or £350 a week but things can go wrong. In the settings I have the software to stop, when a win profit for the day reaches £50 or a loss of £100 a day is matched. It is very rare that I could get three losing days in a week but it could happen. If this did happen then my win profit for the week would only be £50. I could quite easily get one losing day in a week and of course if that happened, then I would only win £250 in that week.
3 losing days = -300
4 winning days = 200
I’m about to sign up anyway.
Hello,
In the settings I had, I would be prepared to lose a maximum of £100 a day, but would hope to win £50 a day.
Yes you are correct sorry about this and thanks for pointing it out.
Regards Chris.
Aiming to win £50 a day or lose £100, what size bank, should be used?
Hello, This is a very difficult question to answer.
You could lay all your selections and they all lose their races and you could get to your £50 quickly but then again it is possible that things go horribly wrong and you reach your stop loss per day quickly. So you could start with a £200 bank or a £2000 bank.
You should never bet more than you can afford to lose.
But, the best way is to start off small first, I think to try to aim at £20 profit a day to start with. Or you can even try the system in simulation mode first.
Regards Chris.
Hi new member can you please post link to the software you use please
Hi
I have looked at your website and wonder if I can transform Your point’s forecast as a CSV file to insert it into BetBotPro?
Yes you can try by all means
I have been laying Greyhounds reasonably successfully for a fair while but find it difficult to lay dogs at provincial tracks (Peterborough, Sunderland, Perry Barr, Belle Vue etc).
Any suggestions on Betting Exchange which takes these lay bets?
Yes, you can make lay bets from all of those races through Betfair.
Hi Chris, I signed up this morning so very new. I will also try what JanML was looking to do re csv file. Just a couple of questions: Do you enter every dog from your tips file into BBP, if so do you do it manually? I put in a request for your BBP settings on the Facebook page but think you may see it here first, Can I have your BBP settings?
Can’t wait to get started, off to buy BBP
Best regards
Graham
Hello Graham, Yes I did reply to you on Facebook and posted the BBP settings on there. But you can download them from here BBP Settings if you wish. I do not lay dogs in every race but am more selective, I do enter them manually.
Thank for your swift reply.
No problem
Hi chris you haven’t posted lays via excel file option since 31st dec can this be done daily please? New layout is great but need excel option also
Hello David,
Others have asked as well will post this now on the webpage at the bottom thanks.
Thank you mate
Hello David, I get a lot of inquiries from Australia with regard to the Greyhound Points and that is why I decided to supply Aus points as well. I also have members from Australia who lay dogs in the UK market. Yes you can open an account at BetfairAU Help legally. Although you will require a VPN to block out UK connection with BetBotPro. I hope this helps regards, Chris.
Hi chris can you put correct excel sheet to download on uk greyhound please? It’s still 17th when u download
Sorry it’s a bit late but uploaded it now.
Olá, sou do Brasil, tem alguma forma que eu possa testar seu sistema, de forma gratuita antes de fazer a compra? pelo menos por 1 ou 2 dias…?
I get asked all the time for a free trial, but there are no free trials. I put a lot of work into providing these greyhound lay points and many hours of work. Then I have to manually update the website early in the mornings and sometimes start at 3 am. Membership prices are kept very low and you can test the greyhound lay points for only £1.20.
O tempo todo me pedem um teste gratuito, mas não há testes gratuitos. Eu dediquei muito trabalho a fornecer esses pontos de galgo e muitas horas de trabalho. Então eu tenho que atualizar manualmente o site no inÃcio da manhã e à s vezes começar à s 3 da manhã. Os preços da associação são mantidos muito baixos e você pode testar os pontos de configuração do galgo por apenas £ 1,20.
Morning Chris,
I’m trying to follow the screenshots for configuring the settings in BBP for Betfair, however, I can’t find some of the options as shown in your pictures. For example, on the Selections tab, none of the available options in the current version of BBP I have (5.3.1.0.0), match the Selections tab shown in your screenshot. There’s no “selection options” on that tab, where it’s been set to “manual selection”.
Likewise on the Staking tab, in your screenshot for the recovery stake plan, there’s “Output Bets Calcs” but this checkbox isn’t available in the new version. Additionally, under the recovery stake plan in the latest BBP, there’s a new setting called “NoBets”. I’ve checked the manual for BBP ver 5.3.1.0.0, and there’s no explanation for what it is.
Most of the other options/settings seem like they’ve just had their names changed and I think I’ve matched the settings to those as shown in your screenshots. Are the screenshots you’ve provided taken from an earlier version BBP?
Hello Avril, It looks like you are using the older version of BBP and you need to contact BBP Support and ask them for the Bet Bot Pro which is version: 1.0.1902.5 regards Chris
Cheers. Will do.
Hello Chris,
I’m already using the service, but I’m still a little bit confuse about the odds. Sometimes you say that you use 2-6 and sometimes 2-12. Which range should I use here?
Best regards,
Helder
I was using odds of between 2 and 8 for ages but it started getting harder to find matched lay bets. So I now use odds between 2 and 12 it’s easier to get a good lay bet matched. But you can use whatever is best for you.
Thank you so much Chris! Congratulations for the great job! I’m still trying to figure out the best races to bet. Sometimes none of the lowest works and one of them wins. Is there any analysis I could make to validate my decision? Maybe remarks, BRT, Split, Top time, etc? Any suggestion to be more accurate on my bets?
Best regards!
This is the problem with greyhound racing. Sometimes we get winners with very large odds, winning a race that was never expected. The points system takes all statistics into account including how a greyhound has raced in all previous race, split times, win time, BRT, everything is included. The points system is really the best way to source our greyhound tips. But, you can also compare the tips to other tipsters such as Racing Post& Timeform. I hope this helps regards Chris.
hi chris i joined yesterday can u please send me the settings for betbot
Hello, I have sent them to your email.
cheers chris
Hi Chris can I please get a copy if your BBP settings emailed through?
Hello, I have sent them to your email address thanks
Hi, any idea when the points for the aus greyhounds will be up and running? I’m loving the site and eager to go….80)
Hello Stuart, Yes the Aussie tips/points are back up and running now.
Hi Chris,
Just wanted to say thanks. Been using the Aussie points system to lay for the last couple of days and had a high strike and some nice profit. Struggled to get anything consistent before. I honestly can’t wait for the UK dogs to return now. Keep up the great work.
Hi, have you got the settings you use for the Gruss Software Please
No I haven’t got the settings for this software anymore, just BBP thanks
Hi Chris Could you email me the BBP settings, please. Also, what do you think is a very safe bankroll for Laying £4 bets and can you just confirm what Min Max odds you are using now
Thanks so much
Dave
I have emailed the settings to you now.
The odds range I use now is between 2.0 and 12.0
Bankroll is difficult. When I started I had a bank of £200 but was looking for a £20 daily profit then.
Hi Chris can I please get a copy if your BBP settings do you need to lay all the dos below 15 or just 1 if just 1 how do you setup bbp to do this
I have sent the settings to your email address now.
No don’t lay every dog but be selective.
Hi, Chris Could you email me the BBP settings, please. Also, what do you think is a very safe bankroll for Laying £4 bets and can you just confirm what Min Max odds you are using now
Thanks so much
Dave
I have sent the settings to you now.
Hello Chris
I think the service you provide is fantastic and I’m just about to subscribe to your tipping service.
I see you mention Bet bot Pro & The Staking Machine. Would i need them both or do they do the same job.
I think I might go for the staking Machine as it also keeps good records.
Ive seen your settings for BBP on your Facebook page, but I cant find your settings to help set up The staking Machine. Is it possible to get your settings for TSM to help me get started as I’m new to all this.
Any other advice welcome
Keep up the good work.
Kind Regards
Mark Burrows
Hello Mark, I do not have a copy of the settings for TSM. You will need Gruss Software with the TSM but the combination does work very well.
Hi Chris,
I have just downloaded Betbotpro on the free trial. I have also been through your secreen shots of your setup and have found some of the conditions missing on Betbotpro as well as your home page is diffenrt to the download. Can you confirm your settings on latest update please or let me know how to setup the same as yours?
I will sign up to your site also in the morning to make the most out of the free trial or once you reply to this message and I’m fully setup.
Can I ask if you could share your latest results/do you still share your latest results?
Thank you
jonny
With BetBotPro there are 2 versions. It seems you have the older version, ask at BBP for the new version thanks.
Thank you,
I paid for last fridays 17/7/20, the selcetions were great to honest. I held back, so I was in practice mode on BBP to see how the selections went and they went very well both Friday and Sat. I didn’t renew as of yet but I will soon.
I was wondering how this weeks selcetions went?
Do you have or can you share this weeks histroy, maybe by direct email to me?
Do you sit down and work out what selections to choose or do you have software that makes your selctions?
Thank you
I don’t keep records of week’s history anymore, used to but it is too time-consuming. Selections are made with the software but are checked and adjusted manually as well.
Hi i was just wondering if anyone had any success importing the points lays into Bet Bot Pro or gruss? It can be quite time consuming entering them manually.
Cheers
Tim.
It is time-consuming but it is the best way.
Hi Chris, Can you email me the BBP settings please ?
I have sent to your email address
Hi chris could you send BBP settings please?
I have sent to your email address
Hi Chris, could you send me the BBP settings too? Thank you
sent to your email address
Hi, I’ve just requested a trial of BBP. Are you able to send me your settings?
Thanks
I have sent them to your email address now
Hi Chris,
can you please send me a copy of the BBP settings, please?
Regards,
Nick.
I have sent them to your email address
Thank you very much.
Dear Chris
Can you please send me a copy of the BBP settings, please?
Thank you
I have sent these to your email address.
Hi Chris,
Could you please send me the setting for the BBP software also? Thank you in advance.
I have sent these to your email address.
Hi. Just saw that you have changed the way you select greyhounds to lay by using Yellow boxes coupled with Pups with < 15 points . So what are the returns compared to the earlier approach.
Cheers!
Hello Pete, We also have all the tips from the Racing Post, Sporting Life, and Betfair/Coral. Highlighting with yellow boxes seems to help to identify greyhound selections much easier. I am also striving to make the selections more accurate all the time.
Hi i have just signed up and this site looks very interesting,i am giving horse pre scalping a break for a while and thought i would dip my toes in grey hound racing.I cannot wait to get started i am mainly a lay bet person so i will be trying out the lay bets,oh and thankyou chris for replying to my message earlier good luck guys………….
Thanks and good luck
Hi Chris,
Trying to sign up to the 7 day membership but getting an error message when i press
the sign up now button on the check out page, an error message appears as the top of the
page – “Invalid subscription customer_id”. Is there a problem with the link on your website?.
Thanks Derek
Hello, we are aware of a problem with payments through Paypal at the moment and we are trying to fix it. But, Stripe payment option is still working fine, thanks.
Ok thanks. Tried the stripe option by entering my card details but same problem.
Or am i doing this incorrectly?
Thanks
Should all be fixed now thanks.
Hi Chris,
Just tried both options again. still same problem?
Is there an alternative way to pay you?
Thanks
Sorry about this. It should have been fixed yesterday. It is being fixed right now.
Hi Chris,
Thanks for you message via messenger. Tried again but still no luck.
Maybe i could do a bank transfer if you email me your details?
Thanks
Derek
I have created a 7 day account for you manually
Hi Chris,
7 day trial going well, have won £20 each day
Ready to sign up to the monthly subscription and want to trial the betbot software.
I noticed people asking you for your settings.
Could you send these to me?
Thanks
Derek
Hello, I am very interested in your greyhound laying system. I want to automated this. So for example when I subscribe what do I need to do next. What software do I need to automate and will you selection auto popilate in this softwar each day. What settindo I need to adjust in the software Thanks
Philip.
THE software I recommend is either Bet Bot Pro or The Staking Machine combined with Gruss. You will still need to enter your selections manually each day. After that and as long as your settings are set, it is then automatic.
Hi,
Do you have historical data about all the races in your point system and the race winners?
I’m starting dogs trading and have a background in data. So that would help me getting some insight. What I can share in the community.
Thanks!
Hello Martin, I don’t really keep any data regarding this.
Hi. Are you stil active? I need help.
Yes still active
Happy to make £20 per day if possble and have done everyday since i started,the problem i have is walking away after the £20 is made but at that amount £600 a month will do me
STRIKE RATE RUNNING @ 94.6%
ROI RUNNING @ 7.27% BETTER THAN MY BANK THATS FOR SURE
LONGEST WINNING RUN STILL ON IT IS 26 LAYS
Hi Phil thats very good to say the least and I would also be very happy with £600 a month what do you have your stop loss at for the day as I presume you are using retrieval staking.
And what size bank are you using.
Thanks Eddie
Hello
On average, how many races per day (or per week) in Australian Greyhounds do you provide ‘greyhound points’ for ?
Because of the time differences, I miss about 10 races each morning. So we give points tips for every race, every day, 7 days a week except for maybe 10 races each day.
Hi, Ive been trying to sign up to the service for 7 days but each time I do so the subscription cancels, do you know why this is?
Hello, I can see now you have signed up, sorry about the problems with your subscription.
Hi can I have the bet bot Pro settings too please… New subscriber
The BBP settings are just a guide. I now use lay odds between 2.0 and 12.0 but it is up to you.
Hi Chris, You have shared bet bot pro settings. Thank you for that! What I understand is that you use Lay % up down staking.
Can you share this setting for your goal of 50 pounds a day?
Thanks!
I will make a new video soon with updated settings
Ok, cool!! I worked out a staking plan with TSM. Testing it today 🙂
Great thanks for letting me know.
Update: Yesterday was very hard day. First 3 lays end in a loss. Happy to say @ the end of the day I was at my target profit –> 5%.
Today is a super day! 11 straight wins and a 5% profit. I’m finished for today 🙂
That’s great, thanks for the feedback
Hi Chris,
Just been made aware of the Betfair premium charge of 20% for accounts which are consistently in profit and have bet on more then 250 markets. would this affect someone successfully laying greyhounds long term?
Thanks
Hello Derek, Yes, it does include laying greyhounds for accounts that are consistently in profit and have bet on more than 250 markets. You can use other accounts, for instance, another household member or a friend, maybe. You can find out more about this at this link Betfair Premium Charge
Thanks Chris, from what i’ve read, looks like Betfair will charge the Premium rates on your other accounts too if they suspect you have multiple accounts to avoid the charge.
only other option i guess is to use Betdaq for some of the bets to reduce the cost.
Hi Chris,
Happy new year!
Sometimes it happens that in the point system the dog with the lowest points is the favorit.
Do you always skip the 1st favorit in Bet Bot Pro?
Thanks and regards,
Maarten
It is always a good idea to pay attention to the betting market. Sometimes a lot of money can be bet on a dog in the last few seconds. I don’t always skip the favorites, but the live betting market and weight of betting can give a good indication.
Please send settings for Betbotpro.
Thanks,
David
I have sent them to your email address
can you send me the setting also please
Hello, I have sent these to you now
Hi Chris i have just joined yesterday and wonder if you would be so kind to send me your Settings for BetBotPro.
One question i Have, are you not worried that your edge might get eroded if all the members on here are using the same settings, and doing the same thing as you?
Tom
I have sent these to you now
Hi Chris
I have had a couple of 24 hrs days and very much like the way things have gone so far
I am only using £2 stakes and I have couple of questions really
If there is a “no bet” if odds aren’t met do i keep stake at £2
Also if my first lay goes on to win the race do I increase the stake for the next qualifying race or keep it at £2
Great work mate, loving it so far ? ?
Hello Robert,
If there is no bet placed, just treat your next bet as the next race (keep the stake the same). Increasing the stake after a loss is usually controlled by the software you use and the settings you have in place. If you are betting manually, without any software then you will have to adjust the stake yourself. regards Chris.
Thanks Chris
I have just signed for a month with your service, trying to run a bot on betextrader but not been the best day
Made £28 manually yesterday and down by £20 today as we stand
I know these things happen
Got my odds set between 2 to 8 as you previously mentioned but now I see you have set this to 2 to 12
Signing up for betbotpro to use the service
Your 7 day lay trial to make £50 per day would be mint for me
I would be grateful if you could send me your settings for betbotpro so I can maximise my profit potential
Also with your lay selections do you only pick 2 dogs per race or 3 with the lowe points values
Hello Robert, I will sometimes choose 3 dogs in a race to lay and BBP will select 1 then to lay. You will of course have dogs that you lay that will win, sometimes it can’t be helped. I did adjust my laying odds between 2.0 and 12.0. This has enabled me to get better lay bets and also I can get more bets on now. Be very selective with your lay bets. Remember, you do not need to have a lay bet in every race. Good luck regards Chris.
Hi Chris
Just purchased betbotpro to run your service and my version seems different to yours
I am using betbotpro betfair v5.34
Are there other versions of betbotpro software
Thanks
The version I am using is 1.0.0.63 you need to contact BBP support and ask for new BBP regards Chris.
Hi Chris
I have now got the same version as you,
1.0.0.63
I have input your settings for my selections but nothing matched so far today
Could you please send me your settings
I have some options showing that I don’t see on your settings
Apologies for being a nuisance
I have sent them to your email, thanks
Ran 7 days of simulation and tweeked the process by lifting the minimum odds to 5.5 & max to 10 which gave me a 70% strike rate. I use BF Bot Manager and set the event filter to display the first three favourites. If I saw that my selection sat in the first three favourites I either re selected of scratched the race. A further three days on this criteria gave me on average 1 loss in 19 races
Excellent site for th data and well worth the fee
Well done and many thanks
Well Done Darren, thanks so much for the great feedback, regards Chris.
Hi. Could you also send me the settings you use for BBP, please? Thanks in advance.
I have sent these to your email address now thanks
Hi Chris I have just joined today and I would like to ask you if you would be so kind to send me your settings for BetBotPro. Thank you
Hello, I have sent these to your email address now thanks Chris.
Hi Chris.
Trying to download BetBotPro from the link on your site and a message reads that it “was blocked because it could harm your device”. Is there a way round this?
Hello Mark, The software is not owned by me and I am not affiliated with it at all. But, BBP is the software I use and recommend. You can download direct from their website. Maybe you could try right-clicking and open as administrator? If not and you need help, their support is very good. Regards Chris.
Hiya Chris. Tried downloading from their website and the software is still blocked. No administrator function when i right click so i’ve emailed them. Fingers crossed as i’m keen to get started!
Hello Mark, They have good support so hopefully you should be ok soon, thanks Chris.
Hi Chris. They were very helpful. Just working my way around the software now using simulation mode. Would you be able to send me the BBP settings please?
I have sent the initial settings to you now
regards Chris
Hi Chris,
I’ve just started using your point system , and all seems good, I am now think of using the BetBot pro software, could you send me the Win and Lay Bot settings please so I can set it up properly.?
Hello, I have sent them to your email address but these are the old settings I used for placing the lay bets. Regards Chris.
Hi Chris, great site. I’m being thick I know…..Am I correct that you can’t select a dog from your daily list and then pre-lay using BetBot pro? I am thinking that the pre-lay ( auto) setting is for specific criteria that you enter for the race rather than a specific dog ? I am getting better ( thanks to your data) at picking losing dogs but would be great if I didn’t have to sit and do every race manually. I’m sure I saw a video of yours where you run-through how to pick and enter the daily dogs you choose into BBP, can’t seem to find it now. Sorry to bother you with my ineptitude! Would also really appreciate your BBP setting if you don’t mins. Kind regards…Gary
Hello, Yes you can manually select races for forth-coming races. Just scroll down to each race and make your selections as you go.
Regards Chris.
Thanks for your reply Chris. I can’t select a range of odds though can I , like I can with the auto bot ? i.e to be sure odds are not beyond my range. Your settings would be appreciated, I noticed you kindly sent them by email to earlier requesters. regards Gary
Sorry for the delay in getting back to you.
I have sent the settings now.
Regards Chris
Hi Chris,
I am currently a 7days member. Trying to download the spread sheet for Aussie GH. While the website has all the races for the day, the spreadsheet only has races before 1PM.
Can you please take a look why?
Kind Regards
as before
Hi Chris,
I am currently a 7days member. Trying to download the spread sheet for Aussie GH. While the website has all the races for the day, the spreadsheet only has races before 1PM.
Can you please take a look why?
Kind Regards
veehaa
Hello, Yes, what happens is that the AU Greyhounds has 2 updates. The first update is done between 9 pm and 10 pm UK time. Then the 2nd update comes at 4 am UK time. Sorry about this but it is the only way I can ensure getting all the data. Regards Chris.
Hi Chris,
Is BBP still available to purchase? I have been trying to do so since my trial ended. I have asked for an
invitation to do so as per their site but to no avail. Support seems to be non-existent.
I have been using Bet Angel for your Points system – which are brilliant – and using a 1-4 staking plan
which I employ manually i.e., doubling my next stake on a loser. Thankfully, this does not occur to often
thanks to your points system.
Meanwhile, Keep up the good work and any help/advice re: purchasing BBP would be appreciated.
Best regards,
Stef
Hello Stefan, As far as I am aware BBP is still available to buy. Someone else told me about the 1-4 staking plan with Bet Angel, I will have to have a look at this. thanks, Chris.
Hi Stefan, I am also using betangle would be so kind as to help me with how to use betangle with the daily tips? do you use an automation file ? or how do you setup betangle .. much appreciated. my email is
Hi Chris,
Thanks for your reply. I will await a reply from BBP and if no success I will subscribe to Gruss and TSM.
Another cracking day today 14 lays on the bounce. Thanks again.
Excellent, hope it continues
Hi again,
I don’t think Bet Angel support a recovery plan such as the 1-4. In fact they frown on any sort of
recovery betting – prefering to accept losses.
What I meant by recovering any loss was to manually double my stake on the next selection(s) and
hope for the best.
Cheers,
Stef.
ok yes, I understand. Manually controlling your stakes and betting strategy is probably the best way to make lay bets.
Hi
Have you made a video of the BBpro settings yet please
regards
Cliff
Hello, I did make a video using the settings Youtube Video Hope this helps. Regards Chris.
Hi. I can see the tips have been added to the greyhound lay page. Are these tips taken into consideration when selecting a dog to lay like the Australian dogs?
Hello, Some like to lay the dogs and some like to back the dogs to win.
You can see in the attached image that Trap 5 was highlighted as the back bet.
For the lay bet we look for those dogs allocated the lowest points and are not tipped to finish in the first 3 places by any of the tipsters. These are considered the best lay bets. hope this helps regards Chris.
So just to confirm when picking a lay bet for UK racing, you do also look at the tipster tips?
Do you still look for odds between 2 and 8?
I have replied to this question on a blog post, as it might help others.
Answer to your question
thanks
Also thanks for the reply!
I’m finding your ratings very good so far.
great thanks
Signed up tonight when order received gave link to reset password but site does not load any help at all
Hello, I have replied to you by email. thanks
can u send me the bbp settings please
I have sent these to your email address
Could you email me the BBP settings, please.
I have sent them now.
Hello, which is the best staking plan for the lay strategy?
I think the “Recovery” staking plan works best for me. You might also like to look at my new Backing Strategy a lot easier and not such big bets. Currently today we are on a 56.5% winning strike rate and £80 in profit so far.
Hello, are you still operating?
Ger O’Sullivan, yes of course
Good afternoon Chris,
I’ve just read all the info on your website, very interesting and congratulations on your efforts and last but not least, profits 🙂 I’m thinking of signing up for a week to get the hang of it, but at the moment will probably only be able to bet manually and it will be after 4pm weekdays. Do you still have lots of selections for the evening meetings?
All the best,
John
Hello John, Yes, there are still quite a few races after 4pm.
Great, thanks Chris
How do you know the odds so early in the morning ?
The Greyhound markets don’t start forming until a couple of minutes before the race..!
I don’t know the odds?
hi chris
#ive just signed up and paper trading at the minute but so far looks great
how has youre backing strategy performed over the last week or so
ill also be looking to get bbp and eventually automate but initially looking at manual bets
i usually place lay bets but just wondered how youre backing strategy was going
thanks again for a great service
Been in profit the last few days and I will be updating the results soon. thanks
Would you consider a clickbank referral system?
I have a few people interested in sign
No, sorry I would not be interested.
Do you experience a delay in payouts for greyhounds?
I seem to have got back my stake minus 2% but no payout – it says market settled but i have just got back 0.98 on all todays races
Yet, when i lost they were quick to take my liability
I have had delays before with Betfair quite often and as you say they take my liability quickly
24 hours though?
I have a weird problem as they have given me back my stake minus a 2% fee but odds of 6.0 etc. they havent returned my actual bet
I should be 120 in profit but i just have 40x £1 in smarkets
maybe ill sign up for betfair or try another exchange
Sorry, I thought you were with Betfair
is there a support forum?
I have laid £1 at odds of 7:1, so £1 plus 6.98 liability.
I should get back £7 if my dog loses right?
They are only paying me 0.98 profit
Yes, that is correct
Peter if you lay £1 at 7.0 on Betfair, your liability is (7-1) = £6. If you laid at 7:1, that is 8.0 on Betfair and hence your liability if the dog wins is (8-1) = £7.
If the dog loses, you win £1 less a 2% commission (on UK dogs), which is a profit of £0.98.
On Australian dogs, the commission is around 7% which means you need to have a better strike rate than on UK dogs to break even/make profits.
OR should I be laying as per your example £4 to win £4 minus fees?
I thought it was like a reverse bet, so 8:1 would pay me £8 if it lost, like a bet on the winner would pay
If you are laying greyhounds. Then if you bet £4 and your dog lay bet goes onto win the race then you lose £4
I think ive misunderstood laying, i now realise you are offering th ebet, so £10 offered is £10 gained if it loses.
Right now i know this (sorry) i now know it is a bit more work than first thought.
Is there a blueprint of a scheme to lay multiple dogs on the same race as they cant all win
You can try laying multiple dogs but I would not recommend it.
when laying do you care about 7-9 columns?
I was using those to see if mine was due a win or not but it doesnt seem favourable, im looking to try ignoring those columns
When I am picking my lay bets I follow the guide that I wrote before.
I look for any greyhounds with 15 points or less.
Then I look at the selections in 7-9 columns that is the tips from Racing Post, Sporting Life, Betfair
If any of these three tipsters select any trap number to finish within the first 3 places then that is not a match.
So today Perry Barr 11.06 dogs that were 15 points or less were trap2 and trap 3 – Racing Post tipped 342 – Sporting Life tipped 154 – Betfair tipped 156
so trap 2 was tipped by Racing Post to finishe third so that is not a match. Our only match was Trap 3 – If this dog was between odds of 2.0 to 12.0 then that is our lay bet. In fact trap 3 was 9/4 favourite and lost, Trap 6 won the race, so this was a good greyhound lay bet. Hope that helps Chris
Thanks for your help, yes, it does.
How dow you recover losses?
Mine seems to go
1
1
1
1
1
-8
1
1
-6
1
1
1
And on it goes, i never get into profit
Thanks
I use Lay % up and down so following a loss it uses a 25% recovery over a 4 race cycle.
Hi Chris. I have just downloaded Bet Jet Pro, until I can get used to the system, would you mind sending me your setting please? Would like to trial the strategy at this evenings meetings. Cheers
Hello,
I don’t use Bet Jet Pro. I use BetBotPro
Apologies Chris. I have now installed BetBotPro
hi chris i am using betbot pro version v.5.40.0.0 is this ok or should i get the latest one . that you use ? thank you
If you get in touch with Mark at BBP and ask him for the latest version, it is much better
Is there any chance you can seperate out the event details in different columns or commas?
I use BetEngine and the event, time and selection are in different excel columns whereas this download sheet has it all in one field.
The current CSV i have to go in and edit the text, copy it and then paste it, then do it again for the times and the selection for every line- very time consuming.
The comment above from “Pierre Cardin” explains how to do this, thanks
For those struggling to get this into bet engine this link is useful.
Select the Excel column with all the race info in it and follow the steps
https://support.microsoft.com/en-gb/office/split-text-into-different-columns-with-the-convert-text-to-columns-wizard-30b14928-5550-41f5-97ca-7a3e9c363ed7
You can then put the columns in whatever order needed.
Bet engine needs columns like this:
12/11/2024 10:48 Oxford Savana Gilbert
12/11/2024 12:04 Tralee Elusive News
12/11/2024 12:18 Newcastle Emers Dawn
12/11/2024 12:51 Newcastle Burrow Fantastic
Hope that helps someone
Thanks